Hurt by the Meeting

January 28, 2020 § 12 Comments

I know quite a few Friends who feel wounded or betrayed by their meetings. In the incidents in which this wounding occurred, it was individuals who hurt each other. Yet, whatever these Friends might feel towards the individuals involved, they still feel betrayed by the meeting, as well. This is the shadow side of the extraordinary corporate character of Quaker meeting life.

This transference of blame, hurt, and anger to the meeting calls for a special kind of pastoral care that we don’t seem to do very well or even talk about much. I am not at all clear about what’s called for myself, but I grieve for the people I know who have been hurt in this way and also for the meetings in which this pain and tension lives as a shadow on the fellowship. So I’m going to explore it here, in the hope that thinking and writing about it will bring some kind of opening and/or elicit some insights from my readers.

First, why do we transfer to the meeting hurts we suffer at the hands of individuals?

In some cases, I think we do so because a number of individuals were involved, and there seemed to be some kind of consensus among them about what they were doing. Some spirit was at work, some sense of the gathering.

Friends also have a perverse tendency sometimes to minister to the perpetrator in a fraught situation, rather than the victim. I’m not sure where this comes from. Maybe it comes from a perverse desire not to take sides, as though siding with the perp isn’t taking sides, but providing some kind of balance instead. I don’t know. But I want to name it, and I know it figures in some of these situations.

Very often, I know the hurt stems from the fact that other Friends let it happen, that a group or the meeting as a whole stood by while the wounding took place. These witnesses may not have agreed with what was going on, but they were paralyzed by fear, awkwardness, or indecision, or a failure of insight into what to do and/or courage to do it. This is a large part of why so many Catholics who have been abused by priests are so angry at the church: the church did nothing to stop it.

Very often, we’re not talking about just one incident, but rather an ongoing situation in which the principals seem stuck in their patterns and the meeting as a whole either doesn’t know what’s going on until it’s too late or doesn’t know what to do. Here, our culture of silence is our enemy: we tend not to talk to each other forthrightly about such things (though we may do so behind cupped hands in the parking lot), and our passive quietist tendencies suppress active involvement.

Also, in the Catholic case, the institution was more important to those in power than the people who were being victimized. We Quakers don’t have an imperial institution with that kind of embedded power, but we can still favor the institution over the individual. For us, the “institution” is “Quaker process.” I have seen Friends insist on Quaker process when the process was clearly hurting someone. Usually, this manifests as delay: it takes so long for the meeting to come to clarity and decision that those involved feel betrayed; their needs or concerns seem to have no value in the face of the slowly moving machine.

I have a phrase for this: To hell with Quaker process when hell is where it takes you. I feel quite strongly that people are more important than principles and institutions most of the time. My signature example of this is the way conservatives want to protect “the institution” of marriage rather than protect same-gender couples. On the other hand, I’m not sure what we can do about this. Our process for corporate discernment sometimes takes a while.

I’m not sure what we can do in any of these cases. We have the “gospel order” of Matthew 18:15–20 to guide us when things go bad between individuals: speak to the one who has sinned against you, then take one or two others with you, then take it to the meeting. Early Friends adopted this framework explicitly. I’m not sure how long the practice continued, but modern-day Friends hardly even know it exists. I hear it talked about (there’s even a Pendle Hill Pamphlet), but I’ve never seen it done. For one thing, this process lays the impetus for action on the wounded one, whose vulnerability makes it hard to do. And it doesn’t work at all when you feel betrayed by the community.

Very often, Friends who were not part of the incidents and groups originally involved in the situation sense the tension and go to the aggrieved people to express their sympathy and to invite them to come back (for these Friends often leave us when they see nothing is being done to address their concerns). But the aggrieved want to hear from the principals, not from third parties. And I think they want something from the meeting, too, which the meeting does not know how to give, even if the meeting is inclined to do something collectively.

I have seen individuals who caused some such hurt speak publicly to the meeting of their error and their anguish at having made such a mistake, and this does help the meeting some; but it rarely helps the aggrieved, because they usually weren’t there to witness the contrition and feel some answering movement of forgiveness within themselves.

Perhaps a minute of exercise from the meeting would help, in which the meeting admits its failure to act, or whatever.

Or perhaps the meeting could have some kind of called meeting for atonement whose goal is to become clear about what happened and then to decide what to do. It might urge those involved to speak to each other, especially those who had caused the hurt or had not intervened, rather than the other way around.

This is a level of corporate self discipline that I have rarely seen among us. When I have, it’s been a spontaneous emergence of grace in a gathered meeting for business that resolved a conflict in the moment, but I don’t know how those who felt aggrieved going into the meeting felt when they left those meetings. The body might have felt better while the individuals did not.

Perhaps meetings could have a called meeting for speaking whose purpose is just to create as safe a space as possible for everyone to name their pain and grievances. I would model this on Quaker dialogue, known to some as Claremont dialogue, after the California meeting that published a pamphlet outlining how it works. It’s simple: It’s like a worship sharing—Friends speak what’s on their mind when they feel ready. No one interrupts or answers or debates what has been said, or tries to correct it. Everyone gets to speak their own truth and then everyone goes home. No discussion. No decision. No sympathizing or reassurances. Just honest speaking and deep listening.

I would love to hear from my readers what they think. I know that this is a widespread, even universal experience among us. Perhaps you have some insights or experience that the rest of us might find helpful.

§ 12 Responses to Hurt by the Meeting

  • Susanne Kromberg says:

    I left Quakerism 7-8 years ago after having experienced myself and witnessed ongoing bullying in two Meetings I had attended for most of my 30-year time of Quakerism. I resonate with much of what you say, and think you have a lot of good insights.

    In the first meeting where four Quakers (including myself) were bullied until they left the Meeting, their Quaker job, or Quakerism entirely, reach, parity, repentance, and restoration were left out of the process, and I think that prevented healing from happening.

    The bullying and lies made about us were public – everything occurred in front of a variety of different committees and meetings: local, national, and international. However, the apology that finally did come was an apology from the executive group to each of the four individuals. The community was never informed – no efforts were made describe a process, restore our standing in the meeting, or tell to the community that a wrong had been done and been set right. The perpetrators weren’t asked to understand the effect of their actions or apologize, but continued to serve in their roles and committees, and the four of us were acknowledged as having left voluntarily.

    To be honest, the apology, when it came, felt like an additional insult, and confirmed my decision to leave.

  • Howard Brod says:

    Liberal Quaker meetings function best when they function as a true egalitarian community where a culture of ministering to each other is nurtured and cherished. Rufus Jones wrote about this and shared how the very earliest Christian communities and the very earliest Quaker communities functioned in their gathered and mystical relationship with the divine. It was not a relationship with controlling committees of humans.

    Most modern liberal Quaker meetings utilize controlling committees (Care & Counsel, Ministry & Worship, Ministers & Elders) that were first passed down to liberal Friends from the authoritarian Quaker structure instituted and forced onto Quaker gatherings by George Fox, just a few decades after Quakers first formed. Today, blending that ancient controlling structure with the spiritually free nature of liberal Quakerism is like trying to blend oil and water. It just does not mesh well. In the absence of paid clergy, it is like trying to pretend that these controlling committees are an unpaid clergy, as though this will make a liberal Quaker meeting a real “church”.

    But we are not a church! At its best a liberal Quaker meeting is a loving egalitarian group of worshipers where each individual is responsible to minister to each other and to the meeting culture, whenever things have gone wrong.

    Once a liberal Quaker meeting accepts this egalitarian goal, over time it will seek to implement it, The meeting will eliminate all structures that officially amass control among just a few Friends; forms and human egos will fall away like unwanted baggage. And control will fall to the whole gathered community. Amazing results occur as that community begins to function in an organic manner, where loving care for one another just happens naturally and quickly as hurtful situations happen. Quaker process becomes even more essential for such an egalitarian community, but love for each other becomes the priority and the reality. Since there is no controlling committees to slowly process problems between individual Friends, the loving spirit of individual Friends steps forward just when needed. The Spirit is evident everywhere in such a community; it even seeps from the walls of the meetinghouse! It can be felt the minute one drives into the parking lot.

  • Vonn New says:

    Hi Steve, Just to note that I’ve seen ‘Gospel Order’ that you describe used 3 or 4 times at my meeting over the last 10 years and others do the same thing privately. It’s not entirely a lost practice.

  • Greg Robie says:

    Since my emailed comments seem to not be posted, the previous incomplete misfire will not matter. But, just in case, this FYI. And it probably is a ‘good ‘nuff’ relative to what I might contribute.

    sNAILmALEnotHAILr …but pace’n myself

    https://m.youtube.com/channel/UCeDkezgoyyZAlN7nW1tlfeA

    life is for learning so all my failures must meanness that I’m wicked smart

    >

  • Greg Robie says:

    Christ is dead. Long live MyMessiah!

    Liberal “light theology” Quakers have been tracking toward the lowest mcommon denominator for as long as they have been dying as a viable social institution. And the ‘Christ’-centered Quakes are their bedfellows in this dance – the music of which is our unconstitutionally established GREED-as-go[]d socio-economic paradigm.

    Among the many thoughts this post engenders, the scripture that comes to mind is that the conundrum of the human condition is fundamentally one of warfare involving spiritual wickedness in high places. Or, as another Paul, Paul Simon, penned, “the problem is all inside your head…”. Or, as Walt Smith gave voice to via Pogo: we have met the enemy and he is us. Metanoia, the death and rebirth of the mind, is the only way to meet the new boss who ain’t the old boss … and then, socially, only for a season.

    Given your role as a traveling companion for a member of NYYM traveling under a concern regarding Gospel Order and the M&C whatever (task group?) with Gospel Order in its name, I find it interesting to note how Matthew 18:15-17 is misrepresented in this summary. Please note that the purpose of involving one or two others is that such is to witness to facts.

    Feelings are hardly facts. And they are metabolized in less than 20 minutes … if not reimagined (&/or supported by a group-think/group feel?). And hurt is a feeling born of a perception.

    Among an economically privileged/privileged wannabes, a “Religious Society of Friends [of the Truth]” will, in truth, devolve toward being a cluster of pious likeminded/like-feeling [trust fund enabled] friends …& associated attenders. (Think the visual of that branched tree of the divisions of the Society.) Mymymymy[…n]Messiahs, where n = the number of engaged members and attenders, and a Society approximating the extreme of a social trend (currently individualism), such is the most insular to change … and therefore a group that is going to change through collapse (Think YM-centric membership and NYYM).

    Personally, I used that process when moving from a 15 year attended into membership. FYI (again – i.e., I shared this with the Renewal Committee during our joint service), the process transformed my experience of the ‘conflict’, but not the causal behavior. I did not expect this result. My intent when sharing this was to counter a fear/‘wisdom’ among Committee members that conflict was toxic. Given what is summarized, and how it is summarized, is fear of conflict the tie that binds … and increasingly so?

    In addition, and FYI, two formal appeal processes based on an iteration of this gospel order scripture unfolded while you were yet a member of NYYM. I only learned of the first – an appeal of a monthly meeting’s discernment regarding denying recommending the transfer of membership for an atheist member – during my own. The “failure” of the first to resolve the conflict became/reinforced a lowest-common-denominator dynamic in my appeal. Mine was to test the centrality of the monthly meeting regarding the charges the Renewal Committee labored over concerning Life. In case you don’t recall, the Committee came to unity on being open to the concept of the centrality of the monthly meeting well into the second year of our two year process. Since such centrality was the leading I brought to that RC work, and with monthly meeting oversight, the unity engendered a second leading: to test this regarding the responsibility of naming and overseeing gifts by a monthly meeting. My monthly meeting’s aversion to any such responsibility was affirmed by the appeal process during which the “superior” wider gatherings affirmed not only an adversity to a traditional superior role of the traditional Regional and Yearly Meetings of Elders and Ministers, but complete powerlessness regarding the dictates of the consensus of a lowest-common-denominator default ‘truth’-is-personal theology.

    Steven, worldly wealth and power and religion dance. Paul may have considered this wrestling, but likely he had two left feet. Evil become its semordnelap live and then dies. The Reformation (of which Lutheranism and Puritanidm – our respective roots – along with Quakerism) on the wings of reason and a love of truth

    sNAILmALEnotHAIL …but pace’n myself

    https://m.youtube.com/channel/UCeDkezgoyyZAlN7nW1tlfeA

    life is for learning so all my failures must mean that I’m wicked smart

    >

  • Ruth says:

    Hi Steve…

    This is my current situation. I am deeply wounded. Last night I joined an Alpha course at a local lively Christ focussed church. The pain is just too much that I feel God leading me away to greener pastures.
    I met a street pastor last night. She felt like a kindred spirit & I plan to join her one evening in the city centre where she serves her God on Friday & Saturday evenings.

    In my case I think I need some space from Quakers in order to grow & flourish & be obedient to th work Christ is leading me into.
    R

  • Ellis Hein says:

    Steve, there is much good counsel in the following excerpt from Fox’s sermon given at London Yearly Meeting 1674. There is also much to consider concerning the foundation of meetings that are not built upon knowing Christ present in all his offices. When people gather because they have no other recourse, no hope except Christ appear among them to lead and guide them into his righteousness, then their focus is on hearing Christ and experiencing his power to make them into his image and to gather them into the people of God against which the gates of Hell can not prevail. If people gather on some other foundation, then you cannot expect the sweet, heavenly order that only comes through the power of God.

    When one speaks to another from the Lord, there may be praising and sounding and joy break through. If there should be anything more that is not right in another, not then speak to them there, but to take them aside in the gentle power of God, speak to them privately that they may be preserved. This judging in public meetings hath burdened the tender and good, and hath emboldened and strengthened wicked spirits…Always take them aside, and speak to them in love in the fatherly power and motherly power. This helps [them] up again, and keeps in unity and dominion. Therefore be very tender of the power, for there is a great power springing up in the nation. That which sighs and groans, let it be cherished. If [some] go beyond and do hurt, let them be admonished, and spoken to privately in the wisdom of God.

    Friends in the silence sitting there, in the Seed, can tell the states where there is a babe or a father’s growth, and out of the mouths of babes and sucklings God ordains praise (Matt. 21:16-17; Ps. 8:2). My end is that there may be gospel order, and that which is tender and pure may be cherished, and the contrary kept down.

    “Such a one spoke,” says one; “he burdened me and run me down, he burdened my life.” Thou wert served right enough. Where was thy mind? If in the Seed before the Devil was and in the power of God, then his words would have turned back upon himself and [been] his own burden, and not thine. If thou keep in the power, then that which would burden cannot get in—if thou could have patience to bear. If [thy] ear be out from the life and power, [then] thou are out [away] from [thy] own, out of the house. But if thou keep in the power and Seed, how can they run thee down there? When the meeting is done, if there be any difference, then speak together, keep Christ’s order (that heavenly man’s order and government of his Church, of his holy people) so that he who is the wisdom of all may exercise his office among you, that you may learn his wisdom and his counsel and know him as he is a prophet, as he is a bishop to oversee. Know his voice that all may be established on the rock of ages, to wit, Christ Jesus. If any want wisdom to your treasure, in him are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge. He is a treasure of life and salvation, in him by whom the world was made, who bruises the head of the Serpent, who is the rock of his people, who is first and last over all. (That Thy Candles May Always Be Burning: Nine Pastoral Sermons of George Fox, pp. 92-93)

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  • Thank you for exploring this important topic. It seems especially timely because on Sunday a member of meeting expressed to the community her sense of hurt and grievance about something that happened in a Meeting for Business. So often these hurts are not made known to the community at large. Now we must find a way to address it.

  • A few months back I somehow got the forage to say no when a Friend who felt hurt by other Friends proposed that they alternate weeks when they come to worship. Thus has been done previously at least twice and I thought it was a terrible idea. Instead I proposed meeting with the 3 Friends involved and using the couples dialogue process of conflict transformation. It worked beautifully, way better than I had imagined or hoped. Although I did this, not as an official Meeting , simply as an individual f/Friend. Time was of the essence and we at West Philly are such a small group that all our business is conducted as a committee of the whole ;and there are no other committees).

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